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How does one think that factions are gonna thrive if you can't even get a question answered by FMT.

How does one think that a Faction Management Team is gonna be active, if everyone's too busy answering admin reports.

How do you think that an unorganized illegal faction menu is gonna look like to new players who think, I'll have my faction here. I won't listen to that dude on discord that said FMT is pretty much dead. Then he sees the inactive threads that should have been long been L&A'd and thinks maybe I should've listened to him.

Where are the election results? This takes so long, we think you're hiding the results for us. How does this look for us players?

 

I thought Owlgaming was gonna be great when @Chaos took over.

I saw updates and updates flying through and even though I didn't like the people nor the factions at the given time. I liked Owlgaming again.

People seemed to enjoy roleplaying again, but now.. What do we have?

Threads get locked because admins argue instead of simply deleting obvious troll questions.

Admins crack down on players who are angry when they have legit questions but they just get told, ask this one. Ask that one. Then that person who is mentioned does the same.

 

Loki shows off with Khram and their subfactions to "help save illegal RP" while at the meantime he's also the reason that factions get destroyed. Not directly but still. I know that he just took over the reigns of Caporegime and was just lucky to have good RPers under his wing.

When you control the gun market as FMT member, move the guns down the pyramid and the prices are so high before they even touched another faction's hand, you've failed as illegal FMT.

The FMT could've seen a flaw in that and make a FMT sponsored faction or character that would quickly dump cheap guns in factions. Letting Khram know we need to adjust prices or they're gonna buy from the FMT. People were told to just make a faction so they can get a hand in weaponry.

They tell us that they want to make Owlgaming great again, how can you make Owlgaming great again when we see Khram, the undefeatable faction that has a seemingly unlimited amount of guns that never L&As because they continue in the same way under a different name.

How can we make Owlgaming great again when they hide us election results when half a dozen of times before they came up with statistics the DAY AFTER voting was done?

It looks like Wright wants to hide the results, does he? I don't know. Can we take his word for it? I don't know. 

 

What I do know is that they've bashed other RPers, other factions, other times for what they have done while in reality, They've just done the same.

They've bashed Al-Najjar for CKing who ever they liked to, because they occupied gun trade.

Then we see the baited CKs of the Rednecks. We see Khram coming up again after a long time of inactivity.

They've bashed Georgi, a government RPer who has RPed a corrupt government official and banned him from ever making a return. Was his ban lifted? I've no idea.

In comparison we get Wright who has won by elections tons of times before, I respect that. Release the stats of voting to see what really happened.

 

But what do I know? I'm a mere player. Who doesn't know what goes behind the admin team, the faction team, the government, khram, the UAT. Best thing they could've done is atleast open up a bit.

If this thread get's locked or deleted. I'll have enough info.

Thank you for reading.

 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

How does one think that factions are gonna thrive if you can't even get a question answered by FMT.

I just checked, 34 PC's came in and were sent out in December and all ones currently waiting have been responded to(being discussed) this is simply not true for 90% of cases.

 

47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

How does one think that a Faction Management Team is gonna be active, if everyone's too busy answering admin reports.

How is this relevant? FT Members don't have to meet or do the same amount of admin reports. Their FT work takes priority.

 

47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

Then he sees the inactive threads that should have been long been L&A'd and thinks maybe I should've listened to him.

I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but Official Factions don't need to post in threads. They are monitored IG..

 

47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

Where are the election results? This takes so long, we think you're hiding the results for us. How does this look for us players?

We have never released exact election results because it's never been necessary. Mengele won by a 20% margin. In fact, Urshankov admitted that he made up the rumour that it was "rigged" and was surprised people took him seriously.

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Wright absolutely won the election. Exciter confirmed it as a third party, we have no reason to rig elections. You believed a lie that Urshankov made up as a joke.

 

47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

Threads get locked because admins argue instead of simply deleting obvious troll questions.

This isn't even true.

Two recent threads about this that weren't locked.

 

47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

Admins crack down on players who are angry when they have legit questions but they just get told, ask this one. Ask that one. Then that person who is mentioned does the same.

Too general that I can't comment on it. Feel free to PM me examples.

 

47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

Loki shows off with Khram and their subfactions to "help save illegal RP" while at the meantime he's also the reason that factions get destroyed. Not directly but still. I know that he just took over the reigns of Caporegime and was just lucky to have good RPers under his wing.

Loki has lore that is extremely diverse, the "subfaction" argument doesn't even have any valid reasons against them separating their gang members from Khram. They split up that roleplay for the purpose of their backstory.

He is in no way the reason factions get destroyed. Khram has never been attacking other illegal factions to destroy them. They have only had really bad internal wars.

 

47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

When you control the gun market as FMT member, move the guns down the pyramid and the prices are so high before they even touched another faction's hand, you've failed as illegal FMT.

This isn't even true. We have multiple factions selling guns are competitive prices. We've even had people coming to FT complaining that gun prices are so low that too many people are getting their hands on guns.

 

This was sent in from a member about gun prices recently: https://pastebin.com/raw/wPMPPjXw

Others have a different opinion than you about this. And from our overlooking point of view, guns seem abundant.

47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

The FMT could've seen a flaw in that and make a FMT sponsored faction or character that would quickly dump cheap guns in factions. Letting Khram know we need to adjust prices or they're gonna buy from the FMT. People were told to just make a faction so they can get a hand in weaponry.

ESV was also recently selling guns competitively alongside Khram before they closed, they don't have the monopoly you think they have.

 

47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

They tell us that they want to make Owlgaming great again, how can you make Owlgaming great again when we see Khram, the undefeatable faction that has a seemingly unlimited amount of guns that never L&As because they continue in the same way under a different name.

Khram almost died out recently from their internal civil war... You are obviously lacking the knowledge about how that faction really is. Just because they are powerful ICly doesn't mean they can never be beat. But why are you even trying to start wars with the most powerful illegal faction anyways? Is there a reason you want them destroyed? They haven't been working under a different name, it's always been Khram and their spin off for gang members. They delete old lore threads and post new ones with different names as they develop.

 

47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

How can we make Owlgaming great again when they hide us election results when half a dozen of times before they came up with statistics the DAY AFTER voting was done?

It looks like Wright wants to hide the results, does he? I don't know. Can we take his word for it? I don't know. 

This was answered above, we never have publicized the exact votes. We don't need to, I already showed you that the rigged election was made up as a joke and quoting Urshankov, "It appears some of them may be lacking a few brain cells"

 

47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

Then we see the baited CKs of the Rednecks. We see Khram coming up again after a long time of inactivity.

Khram wasn't inactive. They don't need to be posting on the forums all the time, they have been around IG.

Redneck CKs were for disregard, nobody forces them to act that way. However on this topic we are bringing it up at the UA meeting soon.

 

47 minutes ago, Vinceeez said:

They've bashed Georgi, a government RPer who has RPed a corrupt government official and banned him from ever making a return. Was his ban lifted? I've no idea.

Georgi didn't have any corruption perms in the highest point of government. We didn't allow that because it's supposed to be the single point in the server that's NOT corrupt. He did it on his own, and was banned for it. We lifted his ban awhile ago and he ran for government council. He left after that and is still unbanned, just not around anymore.

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So, Khram goes on a self-imposed hibernation from the streets for a few months..

when we go public again we're still to blame for what goes on with other factions?

 

Since November 6th, we've cut ties with the wider criminal community and have focused on internal passive RP.

Meaning we hadn't done any form of commerce in narcotics or firearms in TWO MONTHS.

 

This Khram meme stuff has gone too far. Khram isn't to blame for every perceived problem you have with illegal RP.

 

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The main problem with illegal RP is because of past leaders of whom I would deem quite "reasonable & good" keep on going around saying how poor the community is because they had one or two bad situations whilst running their faction, leading to their demotivation and the eventual fall of their faction as a whole. 

 

To those I am speaking with, get off your high horse and bring back to the table what you could offer all of those years ago, teach the upcoming illegal roleplayers through time, patience and good leadership. THEN you will see a change to illegal RP as a whole, it's not for us to point the finger at FMT to pass the buck, systems are in place that they recognise and admin over but those systems do not complete or make up illegal RP as a whole. 

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I would like to point out that not only was Georgi unbanned but @Wright gave him employment in the GOV as a second chance and to give him some roleplay.

 

Much of this post is incredibly dishonest. I don't know if you're getting your information from others or what but I'm convinced people in this community are outright lying about stuff and people believe it because their "friends" tell them. I know this is the case, at least partially, because I have spoken to a few people involved regularly with illegal RP who have outright told me that they hear from their friends that "X is corrupt" or "Y does Z", etc, and they believe it, without EVER investigating the alleged problem themselves or speaking to the supposedly "problem" person in the first place or asking if they ever made a staff report or contacted the UAT about such alleged issues.

 

So many of these points brought up lately are demonstrably, objectively false. I honestly do not understand why if you think things are in such a massive state of disrepair. Anyone who participates in the lived reality of this RP server knows the sum of these points you've made are just not true or blown out of proportion. Why do these threads suddenly manifest themselves with no foreknowledge of these alleged issues to staff members who can actually do something about it? I suspect this is because motives for such falsehoods are out of malice. ( I am not accusing you of acting in this manner, however, your post certainly reads that way. I will grant you the benefit of perhaps ignorance in this instance but you also are a victim of your own laziness or lack of caring enough to seek out the truth. ) Some sort of vendetta is often pursued or a foolhardy attempt to stir up drama is the main goal, not a genuine attempt to solve any issues that may be present within the community. This is obvious because if there was a genuine attempt to coordinate with staff members and resolve issues regarding this plethora of false issues you bring up, there would have been multiple staff reports, UAT contacts, FT contacts, private messages, or even Discord messages about them.

 

While I can appreciate you taking the effort to make a post like this, there are FAR better ways to go about solving issues you see in the server. (even if the ones you stated were true or not blown out of proportion.)

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4 hours ago, LokiHavok said:

Since November 6th, we've cut ties with the wider criminal community and have focused on internal passive RP.

Meaning we hadn't done any form of commerce in narcotics or firearms in TWO MONTHS.

Untrue tho, but the point stands

 

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7 hours ago, Chaos said:

Khram almost died out recently from their internal civil war... You are obviously lacking the knowledge about how that faction really is. Just because they are powerful ICly doesn't mean they can never be beat. But why are you even trying to start wars with the most powerful illegal faction anyways? Is there a reason you want them destroyed? They haven't been working under a different name, it's always been Khram and their spin off for gang members. They delete old lore threads and post new ones with different names as they develop

Lets be honest, I was speaking with someone from Khram who let me know the faction never died or was close to being dead, they just cked out all the "retards" and just played dead for a while.

 

7 hours ago, Chaos said:

This isn't even true. We have multiple factions selling guns are competitive prices. We've even had people coming to FT complaining that gun prices are so low that too many people are getting their hands on guns.

 

This was sent in from a member about gun prices recently: https://pastebin.com/raw/wPMPPjXw

Others have a different opinion than you about this. And from our overlooking point of view, guns seem abundant.

Gun prices are pretty high and are in the wrong hands. Weapons should've continued going through developed factions instead of one. When Khram came around as the only official faction the gun market got messed up, the prices for them were good and their members, but whoever it got to it was either double or way more then it should've been. A lot of people were basically either forced to RP with ESV or Khram.

 

 

7 hours ago, Lewis said:

The main problem with illegal RP is because of past leaders of whom I would deem quite "reasonable & good" keep on going around saying how poor the community is because they had one or two bad situations whilst running their faction, leading to their demotivation and the eventual fall of their faction as a whole. 

 

To those I am speaking with, get off your high horse and bring back to the table what you could offer all of those years ago, teach the upcoming illegal roleplayers through time, patience and good leadership. THEN you will see a change to illegal RP as a whole, it's not for us to point the finger at FMT to pass the buck, systems are in place that they recognise and admin over but those systems do not complete or make up illegal RP as a whole. 

I've had horrible situations with admins who've metagamed, CK'd through metagaming and even purposely banned for things I didn't do and unbanned after for not doing it. I'm not going to say I was a saint either, I used to cause trouble, but I came back to give it a second chance, I've been actively running Crimstone with Resident for a good two months now. I've offered all I can for the illegal side of RP, and I've been doing it since I've rped on Owlgaming. I purposely by drugs at a retard high price and sell it all for half of what I paid just to create RP and sell drugs/guns through IC means. Thats not even the point I'm getting to though. The worst part about RP right now is barley anyone on the server can RP. A shootout always ends in an OOC argument, CKs are more then retarded now( "disregard" Is at a all time high).  I have Public Contacts that I know are still not answered till this day like my Crack Cooking request which Peaky told me he gave a yes on and were waiting for other FT members to answer.

 

 

I'm not against Owl, nor am I trying to bash it, but there  are things that need to be fixed. All I'm seeing is players becoming more upset, the administration team telling them that everything is ok no matter how messed up it can really be. People leaving and the illegal side of RP slowly diminishing.

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5 hours ago, jayjay said:

Lets be honest, I was speaking with someone from Khram who let me know the faction never died or was close to being dead, they just cked out all the "retards" and just played dead for a while.

 

What's your point here? 

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16 hours ago, Chaos said:

This isn't even true.

Two recent threads about this that weren't locked.

 

Thanks for the shoutout babe but I made that thread 11 months ago x 

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17 minutes ago, Peaky said:

Thanks for the shoutout babe but I made that thread 11 months ago x 

Soz, I just took two from the top of general discussion. Regardless though still proves my point we aren't locking threads for discussions.

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On 1/6/2018 at 5:56 AM, Chaos said:

He is in no way the reason factions get destroyed. Khram has never been attacking other illegal factions to destroy them. They have only had really bad internal wars.

 

This isn't even true. We have multiple factions selling guns are competitive prices. We've even had people coming to FT complaining that gun prices are so low that too many people are getting their hands on guns.

 

This was sent in from a member about gun prices recently: https://pastebin.com/raw/wPMPPjXw

Others have a different opinion than you about this. And from our overlooking point of view, guns seem abundant.

ESV was also recently selling guns competitively alongside Khram before they closed, they don't have the monopoly you think they have.

 

Khram almost died out recently from their internal civil war... You are obviously lacking the knowledge about how that faction really is. Just because they are powerful ICly doesn't mean they can never be beat. But why are you even trying to start wars with the most powerful illegal faction anyways? Is there a reason you want them destroyed? They haven't been working under a different name, it's always been Khram and their spin off for gang members. They delete old lore threads and post new ones with different names as they develop.

 

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1 minute ago, JayZawack said:

 

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Have they actually begun attacking any factions? No?

As for the gun monopoly, I pointed that out in my post. They were competitive and prices were low until just recently. @bartman and FT have to find a new faction that can run guns now.

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Mentioning Wright promises.

 

edit:

... and we may need you to go terminator

-Okie dokie

 

 

xd

 

also

 

@Chaos
No, they haven't begun attacking other factions, but they're OOCly planning to do so as the strongest faction and seem quite serious about it. You sure you're going to ignore that and go on with 'Khram doesn't intend to ruin illegal RP'?

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8 minutes ago, JayZawack said:

No, they haven't begun attacking other factions, but they're OOCly planning to do so as the strongest faction and seem quite serious about it. You sure you're going to ignore that and go on with 'Khram doesn't intend to ruin illegal RP'?

Khram hasn't done anything to "ruin illegal RP". FIghting rivals it may have is what every illegal faction has done since vG.

What's interesting is that illegal RPers are choosing to complain about Khram on the forums instead of grouping their factions together as allies if they are so worried about Khram starting a war.

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5 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Khram hasn't done anything to "ruin illegal RP". FIghting rivals it may have is what every illegal faction has done since vG.

What's interesting is that illegal RPers are choosing to complain about Khram on the forums instead of grouping their factions together as allies if they are so worried about Khram starting a war.

According to those screenshots, who isn't with us is against us, therefore a rival, which means buy silenced pistols only from us for 15k or you're getting wiped or getting a gang injunction somehow???

I personally have no problem, IC is IC, I just find it hilarious.

You're still ignoring the fact they're orchestrating over discord to fuck up factions who don't roleplay with them, quite contradictory to what you wrote up there.

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Just now, JayZawack said:

According to those screenshots, who isn't with us is against us, therefore a rival, which means buy silenced pistols only from us for 15k or you're getting wiped or getting a gang injunction somehow???

I personally have no problem, IC is IC, I just find it hilarious.

You're still ignoring the fact they're orchestrating over discord to fuck up factions who don't roleplay with them, quite contradictory to what you wrote up there.

The fact is, they haven't done anything of that nature yet. And this is completely NORMAL for an illegal faction. They would still require IC planning if they planned to do any of  this obviously since discord is just OOC.

Perhaps @LokiHavok can leave his insights

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Just lock this bullshit lmao. It's going no-where. Enjoy your freaking RP and stop throwing around bullshits about Administrators, Factions and what not.

 

On 6-1-2018 at 5:28 AM, Vinceeez said:

Threads get locked because admins argue instead of simply deleting obvious troll questions.

 

On 6-1-2018 at 5:28 AM, Vinceeez said:

When you control the gun market as FMT member, move the guns down the pyramid and the prices are so high before they even touched another faction's hand, you've failed as illegal FMT.

 

 

On 6-1-2018 at 5:28 AM, Vinceeez said:

They tell us that they want to make Owlgaming great again, how can you make Owlgaming great again when we see Khram, the undefeatable faction that has a seemingly unlimited amount of guns that never L&As because they continue in the same way under a different name.

 

 

On 6-1-2018 at 5:28 AM, Vinceeez said:

It looks like Wright wants to hide the results, does he? I don't know. Can we take his word for it? I don't know. 

 

 

On 6-1-2018 at 5:28 AM, Vinceeez said:

Then we see the baited CKs of the Rednecks. We see Khram coming up again after a long time of inactivity.

 


All of those things above are straight up bullshit. Didn't even bother to read the other content of your topic.

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^ Respect for this guy, pre-sure you are one of them.

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1 minute ago, Maikeyy2 said:

All of those things above are straight up bullshit. Didn't even bother to read the other content of your topic.

And not a word of how any of that is bullshit.

 

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The fact is, they haven't done anything of that nature yet. And this is completely NORMAL for an illegal faction. They would still require IC planning if they planned to do any of  this obviously since discord is just OOC.

Perhaps @LokiHavok can leave his insights

At least stop pretending they don't intend to suppress illegal roleplay, then. I understand their concerns and will to remain the strongest. However, what would happen if you caught some other faction planning big shit like that OOC?

He should, and you should probably stop advocating Khram at this point.

 

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Just now, JayZawack said:

At least stop pretending they don't intend to suppress illegal roleplay, then. I understand their concerns and will to remain the strongest. However, what would happen if you caught some other faction planning big shit like that OOC?

He should, and you should probably stop advocating Khram at this point.

What do you mean? There have been lots of illegal factions who have started wars with other illegal factions. They didn't have any specific plans OOCly and haven't taken action on anything they've said OOCly. They need to discuss it ICly which is why probably none of that has happened yet.

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14 minutes ago, Chaos said:

What do you mean? There have been lots of illegal factions who have started wars with other illegal factions. They didn't have any specific plans OOCly and haven't taken action on anything they've said OOCly. They need to discuss it ICly which is why probably none of that has happened yet.

Nothing wrong with starting faction wars for real reasons.

Wiping every other faction that doesn't agree to their terms to buy overpriced from them or whatever is another level, ruins development of others and suppresses diversity of illegal roleplay. No problem with it if they plan it IC, but people behind Khram tend to lie here on forums about their faction not being as malicious.

Again, what would happen if let's say you caught another faction planning to, for example, try and shut Khram down, all over Discord?

I also don't see any IC back-up to this, other than Loki OOCly knowing the cartel is inactive so he got his dick up to get the monopoly back. Probably the reason it's being discussed OOC and no action has been taken IC as of yet, but I don't really know or care.

Also, I don't intend to metagame, but since they've discussed it OOC so can I, I'm curious how is Khram going to force gang injunctions on groups who disagree?

 

What about the government roleplay? Are you aware that the corrupt government hired KKK for their campaign, and allowing that?

 

 

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Just now, JayZawack said:

Nothing wrong with starting faction wars for real reasons.

Wiping every other faction that doesn't agree to their terms to buy overpriced from them or whatever is another level, ruins development of others and suppresses diversity of illegal roleplay. No problem with it if they plan it IC, but people behind Khram tend to lie here on forums about their faction not being as malicious.

Again, what would happen if let's say you caught another faction planning to, for example, try and shut Khram down, all over Discord?

I also don't see any IC back-up to this, other than Loki OOCly knowing the cartel is inactive so he got his dick up to get the monopoly back. Probably the reason it's being discussed OOC and no action has been taken IC as of yet.

Also, I don't intend to metagame, but since they've discussed it OOC so can I, I'm curious how is Khram going to force gang injunctions on groups who disagree?

 

What about the government roleplay? Are you aware that the corrupt government hired KKK for their campaign, and allowing that?

 

 

Nobody said they were going to wipe out every single faction. Where are you making up this stuff?

Nobody has lied about Khram not being malicious, they haven't done anything malicious.

 

They haven't acted on anything said OOCly. So I assume they still plan to discuss it ICly. As long as they discuss things ICly before acting then it's fine.

 

The government does not have corruption permissions and did not hire the KKK for their campaign lol

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1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Khram hasn't done anything to "ruin illegal RP". FIghting rivals it may have is what every illegal faction has done since vG.

What's interesting is that illegal RPers are choosing to complain about Khram on the forums instead of grouping their factions together as allies if they are so worried about Khram starting a war.

Are you being serious right now? Did you not just see the fucking screenshots?

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