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Well he managed to get my position within a week while it took me half a year to earn it, who knows how fast he'll get UAT in these desperate times?

 

I haven't really been following this whole conversation but that sentence in your original reply made me vomit a little cause that's really one of the major cringes of being in MTA mostly cause I've experienced this not only in applying and being appointed to staff positions but also on fucking factions and pretty much anything that's considered a position here - this whole "baaaaaaaaaw BUT I WORKED SO HARD!!!!!!! WHY'D HE GET IT????? FUCK YOU ASSEHOLE IVE BEEN HERE LONGEST!!!!!!!!" and this whole culture where hours and years somehow make you into a good roleplayer and a good staff member really gotta end either here or later.

 

life isn't a game where you grind through shit and then go up levels untill you get whatever you're looking for and you can work the hardest and be here the longest and still not be the greatest at whatever it is you do whether its roleplay or roleplay overwatch or anything else really in life ranging from other hobbies to jobs - I've known people who joined before I did so they're here since 2010 or maybe 2009 who are pretty much the same as they were back then in terms of roleplaying skills and attitude really only thing that's changed is really getting better grammar for some.

 

all this "veteran" time worshiping cult does is perpetuate the shit that brings down every server cause the people in them vary too little except for upper management and some teams and keep the actual good people who have good ideas waiting in line behind morons who've been fucking around and wasting their and our time for the past five years.

 

i'm not saying that you're worse than dusty or that dusty is better than you cause this wasn't really my decision and I don't know enough about the situation but using the whole "baaah i've been here longest man" argument isn't really helping your case as far as I'm seeing it.

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topic-wise Maxime needs to step up and define what he wants to do with Owl and the target he wants to have here playing - having a server tailored for "everybody" is very very hard because you're pretty much putting people who have widely different visions on how to roleplay and for some people who don't even really wanna roleplay (at least seriously) and that more than often ends badly and causes most of the problems drama and argument we have on every server.

 

owl right now is a constant state of class war where cliques of different roleplayers alternate on leadership and staff positions and imposing their view on everybody else - you either find a hard way for people to get along with each other and get to common ground or you pretty much go out and say that Owl is a server only for people with interests x and y and people with z interests need to find another place to roleplay at or get with the program.

 

 

tech-wise you gotta really hire more scripters even if it means having to pay them in some form and have them work in strict clean objectives defined by them either by UAT or the playerbase - having scripters work on whatever it is they want to do or just pretty much follow whatever's popular with the playerbase isn't going to cut it.

 

it'd also be cool to upgrade the current DDOS protection seeing that this is a current situation in servers here.

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sorry you have to go through this man kinda sucks that you got here at this stage but honestly my best word of advice at this point is pretty much sticking to IC as much as possible since it's really only going to get worse.

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sorry you have to go through this man kinda sucks that you got here at this stage but honestly my best word of advice at this point is pretty much sticking to IC as much as possible since it's really only going to get worse.

 

No flame or anything, and I truly appreciate the advice, and I would love to stick IC, but the server is just getting destroyed currently. This server is awesome in my opinion, and I love playing here, and I really don't want to see it go to drama. I've been in a lot of communities that have fallen due to this same thing, and I really don't want it to happen to OG.

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I haven't really been following this whole conversation but that sentence in your original reply made me vomit a little cause that's really one of the major cringes of being in MTA mostly cause I've experienced this not only in applying and being appointed to staff positions but also on fucking factions and pretty much anything that's considered a position here - this whole "baaaaaaaaaw BUT I WORKED SO HARD!!!!!!! WHY'D HE GET IT????? FUCK YOU ASSEHOLE IVE BEEN HERE LONGEST!!!!!!!!" and this whole culture where hours and years somehow make you into a good roleplayer and a good staff member really gotta end either here or later.

 

life isn't a game where you grind through shit and then go up levels untill you get whatever you're looking for and you can work the hardest and be here the longest and still not be the greatest at whatever it is you do whether its roleplay or roleplay overwatch or anything else really in life ranging from other hobbies to jobs - I've known people who joined before I did so they're here since 2010 or maybe 2009 who are pretty much the same as they were back then in terms of roleplaying skills and attitude really only thing that's changed is really getting better grammar for some.

 

all this "veteran" time worshiping cult does is perpetuate the shit that brings down every server cause the people in them vary too little except for upper management and some teams and keep the actual good people who have good ideas waiting in line behind morons who've been fucking around and wasting their and our time for the past five years.

 

i'm not saying that you're worse than dusty or that dusty is better than you cause this wasn't really my decision and I don't know enough about the situation but using the whole "baaah i've been here longest man" argument isn't really helping your case as far as I'm seeing it.

 

It was never solely an argument based on how long I've worked my ass off for anyway, none of it was ever about me since I left from my position. Never have I EVER intertwined my 'dedication and hours' into some form of lineage as a top form roleplayer or staff member, the quote that you are picking scraps at is merely a remark instead of an argument anyways otherwise the context would be completely different.

 

As for the lecture on staff grinding I never follow that philosophy in the first place and was rather adamant on receiving that position because I felt that it would not have any use for me. When I finally did receive the position, the community came first instead of personal goals and values in which had me silencing my team members in order to push my own brand of 'revolutionary ideas' out for the people. Dusty is the perfect epiphany of that considering his attitude to freedom of speech is exactly the same within his leadership and that is my problem Mariachi, don't use a remark as material.

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DDosers be like:

 

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What we need to do to them:

 

 

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Unfortunately it really isn't that simple. Having someone's IP address really doesn't get us any closer to solving the issue. The people actually doing the attacking are hardly ever actually using their own hardware to do so. With so many services out there now where you can pay a couple dollars in bitcoins for someone to stress test a given IP address, it's too easy for people with little to no skill in computers to bring down our server. 

 

Spending valuable time trying to track down these people is futile as we really have no recourse against them without breaking the law ourselves. Our time and money is much better spent working on systems to keep our network alive. What we need to do is put a load balancer as the front facing IP address to connect to, and have several nodes behind it to handle the traffic before passing off packets to the main box. Distributing the community's various resources (forums, external sites, ucp, mta server, mta client files server) amongst various servers will also help reduce stress. 

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Unfortunately it really isn't that simple. Having someone's IP address really doesn't get us any closer to solving the issue. The people actually doing the attacking are hardly ever actually using their own hardware to do so. With so many services out there now where you can pay a couple dollars in bitcoins for someone to stress test a given IP address, it's too easy for people with little to no skill in computers to bring down our server. 

 

Spending valuable time trying to track down these people is futile as we really have no recourse against them without breaking the law ourselves. Our time and money is much better spent working on systems to keep our network alive. What we need to do is put a load balancer as the front facing IP address to connect to, and have several nodes behind it to handle the traffic before passing off packets to the main box. Distributing the community's various resources (forums, external sites, ucp, mta server, mta client files server) amongst various servers will also help reduce stress. 

 

This is either courtezboi or chaos new acc

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Unfortunately it really isn't that simple. Having someone's IP address really doesn't get us any closer to solving the issue. The people actually doing the attacking are hardly ever actually using their own hardware to do so. With so many services out there now where you can pay a couple dollars in bitcoins for someone to stress test a given IP address, it's too easy for people with little to no skill in computers to bring down our server

 

Spending valuable time trying to track down these people is futile as we really have no recourse against them without breaking the law ourselves. Our time and money is much better spent working on systems to keep our network alive. What we need to do is put a load balancer as the front facing IP address to connect to, and have several nodes behind it to handle the traffic before passing off packets to the main box. Distributing the community's various resources (forums, external sites, ucp, mta server, mta client files server) amongst various servers will also help reduce stress. 

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The amount of useless comments that have been just thrown onto this topic for means of just being dumb replies. We're not here to announce that we're all doomed. We're here for the sole purpose of discussion. No amount of ranting and whining will get us anywhere in life. However if you make a serious attempt at being mature, than a non-heated and useful discussion could be a best case scenario kind of thing.

 

Those of you who are repeatedly throwing comments out there saying things like "Owl is dying". Stop it. This kind of attitude does not bring us anywhere, you're fuelling the flames and it's not helping. The server will die if you let it. Though staying strong through the duration of what seems to be the servers toughest times is vital to survival.

 

Moving away from the negative talk. You might be asking yourself if you're not entirely aware, "What caused this, how major is it?". The answer to that is, the server has endured a multitude of attacks. Currently the hosting provider are doing the best they possibly can to install a functional filter. The question you may have is, "How long will this take?", this could take some time, however your patience is also vital. Many of the recent arguments have risen from a large disagreement in the current UAT team. Do I personally have a problem with them? No. The thing is, if you have an issue with a member on the staff team, any member at all, record evidence and post a staff report topic.

 

Some people have thrown forward some ideas of how the server could advance in the future. One of these ideas that I've seen has been "Hire more scripters". Personally, this could help in the long run, to continue the advancement in the server's scripts, however at the moment there are much bigger problems to sort out before this can be dealt with.

 

Many people, as a form of negative protest, have been leaving the server. This can become a problem, as the entireity of the playerbase could do the same. These players are fed up with the action they have overseen in the past months. Will we ever gain these fed up people back? Probably not. How will we regain a strong playerbase? Advertisement. Advertisement could be rather benificial to a server that proves to be as unique as Owl. Many features desired by RP players around the world are offered here.

 

This just sums up my "Rant" in a clean and respectful way. I by no means have any reason or desire to post short, unmeaningful and useless posts that are just plain offensive.

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It was never solely an argument based on how long I've worked my ass off for anyway, none of it was ever about me since I left from my position. Never have I EVER intertwined my 'dedication and hours' into some form of lineage as a top form roleplayer or staff member, the quote that you are picking scraps at is merely a remark instead of an argument anyways otherwise the context would be completely different.

 

As for the lecture on staff grinding I never follow that philosophy in the first place and was rather adamant on receiving that position because I felt that it would not have any use for me. When I finally did receive the position, the community came first instead of personal goals and values in which had me silencing my team members in order to push my own brand of 'revolutionary ideas' out for the people. Dusty however was the perfect epiphany of that considering his attitude to freedom of speech is exactly the same within his leadership and that is my problem Mariachi, don't use a remark as material.

 

don't really know why you gave me two whole damn paragraphs since you could've just told me "yeah mariachi I was pissed at the guy and I wasn't thinking straight" - but I still don't understand why this whole problem with dusty's attitude to freedom of speech is even relevant to working on saving the server.

 

this isn't a idylic democracy where latvian teens pretend they're black people from Compton - this is a server owned and managed by a group of people who pick who they want to add to their group and make the rules and even though they can take public feedback and maybe even let the playerbase decide on a couple of matters they can't and shouldn't let everybody decide on every matter and that would be chaos anyway since pretty much 5 in every 120 of them has a widely different view and nobody compromises.

 

whether you like it or not Dusty's an administrator and he's enforcing the rules on this thread - so there's really only three options report him, abide or just go somewhere else you feel more comfortable at.

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I know Chaos irl, and I've been a developer here since this account was made. I work as a web developer, so I've been rather busy lately, but I usually work on bug fixing around here.

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On my phone. Can someone transfer my post from my thread here if you can? Appreciate it if you can.

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whether you like it or not Dusty's an administrator and he's enforcing the rules on this thread - so there's really only three options report him, abide or just go somewhere else you feel more comfortable at.

 

It's not about this thread in particular either, I've already said everything that I have wanted to express and I'm just replying to you since you didn't understand. If you still don't understand it shouldn't have to be a problem in the first place, you'd just move on taking no notice of anything I have said.

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I know Chaos irl, and I've been a developer here since this account was made. I work as a web developer, so I've been rather busy lately, but I usually work on bug fixing around here.

 

Well, glad you're back Chaos ;)! There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. It's just an illusion.

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On my phone. Can someone transfer my post from my thread here if you can? Appreciate it if you can.

 

A message from @@Brett:

 

Hi guys, this is a serious topic. Recently I sent a message to Maxime about my problems with him which I will post down below to give you an idea of how up front I was with him, that me as well as probably about 10 people saw. I'm making this topic for you all to @Maxime to it, along with your opinions of what he needs to do to fix this. I will post what I said to him and his reply, and we're going to make him see what he needs to fix. If he dosen't respond to the topic nor even acknowledge our complaints, then we can really be assured if Maxime will save the server or not. This is not a bash topic, rather just for people to bring legitimate complaints to him. Here is a copy of my letter: 

 

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Dear Maxime,

 

I've been playing Owlgaming for around 1 year and have seen a lot of things that I wish I really hadn't. Before I go and explain why, let me give you some history. When I arrived to the server, I really loved the new features this script held and the community held at the time as there seemed to be only a limited amount of problems. The first issue I dealt with was FMT under Franco. Franco ran FMT kinda in a dictatorship fashion and PISSED the community off. It was because of him with FMT, that I decided to join FMT just to end the horrible unproductive mess that it was. I never got to lead FMT due to some stupid regulation that only UAT members can lead teams, which makes absolutely no god freaking sense. FMT actually improved during my time, only to fall under bad UAT leadership which only got fixed for a point when Bartman a non-UAT member made it as leader of FMT. And it was only worse from there, as when UAT leaders are selected it's like a flippin Rodeo of madness. I can not tell you how many UAT members I've had to complain about, which most of those complaints went directly to Chaos.

 

I've been friends with Wright, Livelethal, and Thatguy who were all in UAT and used to voice my disprovelto them as well. I've spoken with Almeida as well, to which we had some problems in the past, and even to Shanks. I've got more complaints about UAT then I actually got any benefits and that's a reason why the GOOD UAT members are resigning, and the BAD ones arrive. Maxime, you are inactive. I asked you to do a simple thing months ago, and that still hasn't been done as you're super inactive when it comes to do things. YOU NEED SOMEONE ELSE TO "MANAGE" THIS SERVER, YOU ARE NOT THE PERSON TO DO IT. Now this isn't to insult you or anything, but it is to show that I don't believe with your activity levels you are active enough to do this. You are always super detached from the inter-affairs of the community and it's a pain to both the players and past UAT members. I remember when CourtezBoi led the UAT Internal Affairs, which although wasn't the best, was in my opinion at least someone who took any initiative to do things for UAT.

 

I cannot protest enough as to your activity levels not being enough to manage the server, and the fact that your UAT is incapable of dealing with them as well as they always make the worse decisions in matters. Here is a poll taken a few months ago about how the community feels about UAT:

 

http://www.poll-make...ltsQDG2OG#tab-4

 

About UAT transparency:

 

http://www.poll-make...tsQDG2OG#tab-16

 

Your activity:

 

http://www.poll-make...tsQDG2OG#tab-17

 

Now I'm not the type of guy to make a pm towards something with problems and not offer a solution, so here it is. You need a server manager. Someone who can run Owlgamings inter-affairs, that knows what they're doing, and knows how to manage things. This person does not have to be an admin of any sort, but does at least must be proven to have knowledge of how to organize, and deal with things fairly. I made multiple topics about UAT and the problems I have about it. Even responding to rule suggestions never happens anymore from UAT it seems like this one:

 

https://forums.owlga...topic=47069&hl=

 

I could go on, but I already made a topic about this:

 

https://forums.owlga...topic=46370&hl=

 

Get a server-manager. One that has recommendations from previous UAT members. This person does NOT need to be an admin Ingame, but does need the power to handle forum stuff and complaints towards things. He needs to be neutral. In fact I don't believe he should be an admin at all, because they tend to get involved in things that make them look bias. Feel free to make a list, cause I could easily put my name in the hat as I have some good references, but I will leave this up to you. Do not make me regret doing this please..

 

 

Here was his reply to me:

 

Maxime, on 14 Feb 2016 - 7:44 PM, said:

I appreciate the time and efforts you have put in to bring this up to me. 

 

But please be understanding and allow me time to fix the issues, one by one. Because my hand is so full at the moment. I will not turn a blind eye and ignore as if nothing were going wrong.

 

Just like Chaos and people who have left, we're fed up, we are exhausted with everything. The only reasons I'm still here atm is that I own the server and I can't just go away and then reinstate whenever I feel like to work again. And I don't want it to die. 

 

You clearly have no idea how much and how hard I've been working to keep this place alive. And I never feel that I need to brag about every single things I do for the community everyday. But since you brought up a poll about my activity which is non sense as my work are at 'behind the scenes'. For the last few months, I am the only person who scripted, was working on development side, was dealing with hacks, was dealing with backdoors, was dealing with technical issues, was dealing with DDoS attacks. I have been struggling with my own life yet I always spent the last energy I had for the day on this community. Yet all I get is just plain shit. If you want to say I'm here for the money and not caring about the community then FUCK YOU! yeah I mean it. 

 

Thank you.

 

 

I'm not sure what complaints you all may have, but I brought mine up to him. If you want to chime in and actually try and get your voice heard, this is the topic. Let Maxime know through this. Let's stand together and demand the changes. 

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Well, glad you're back Chaos ;))'>! There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. It's just an illusion.

 

Why would Chaos quit, only to come back less than 24 hours later under another name when absolutely nothing in the community has changed? Good detective work there, but it just doesn't make sense. And also, why would Maxime have him back under another name when he just quit and basically blamed Maxime for the server's problems... 

 

I am who I just told you I am, and it really has nothing to do with this thread. I merely joined the discussion because it seemed nobody else on the development team had intention to do so. We have ideas to make the server better, and we intend to put them into play. 

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