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[Faction Team] Joint Faction Team-Community Effort #1 | Improving Illegal RP

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28 minutes ago, croozerdog said:

The only problem me and my friends had whenever trying to set up a criminal group is waiting for literal months for an FMT reply or they simply forget to reply and overly-competitive other illegal factions.

Sorry to hear that, I'm always available for ANY person who wishes help in setting up a faction or needs any assistance whether it's help writing faction threads (Which I've done for several others), or just helping getting things set up.

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1 minute ago, Vubstersmurf said:

Sorry to hear that, I'm always available for ANY person who wishes help in setting up a faction or needs any assistance whether it's help writing faction threads (Which I've done for several others), or just helping getting things set up.

It's been quite a while ago, maybe things have changed ^^

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Just now, croozerdog said:

It's been quite a while ago, maybe things have changed ^^

By all means if you do decide to start a faction feel free to hit me up.

 

Same goes for anyone. If you need help just discord me or forum pm me here or in game. Even if I'm busy with work I will get round to you. 

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This thread is to promote decent discussion in order to improve things for Illegal factions. Arguing and targeting each other just isn't constructive whatsoever and comments will be removed. 

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7 minutes ago, Beta said:

See the corruption? 

 

I suggested removing wright from UAT and the comment got removed lol

Probably because it’s non constructive and could’ve been considered trollish. I recommend you contact me privately and bring forward evidence of your concerns.

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51 minutes ago, Beta said:

See the corruption? 

 

I suggested removing wright from UAT and the comment got removed lol

Removing non helpful comments is not corruption. As Jose said if you bring evidence and your concerns to his PMs it will be looked at just like everyone else.

 

None helpful comments aimed at just starting arguments will be removed. 

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4 minutes ago, Beta said:

Okay, as you guys are acting all blind and shit lemme explain.

 

The dominant faction (that tony talked about) that ruins all the fun for other factions is Cartel de Sinaloa (CDS), Wright is abusing his powers as an UAT. Most of the illegal faction roleplayers know not to fuck with Wright, cause he wins in every situation. Admins always take his side on the report, and people who tried to report Wright on the UCP, failed. I've had my interactions with Wright on my illegal characters, all I got from him is 3 re-rps and void in the end, cause he kept making up excuses and admin agreed with him, cause he was too afraid to go against Wright. The faction is started on July 20, 2017, it only has 8 pages & it's still considered an established faction, it only comes back when one of the good factions is getting somewhere & Cartel pretty much fucks them up, till they all get CK'ed or lose motivation to role-play and just L&A their thread. 

 

A lot of long lasting and promising factions got L&A'ed because of Cartel de Sinaloa (CDS) & Wright. I've roleplayed in Eight Deuces, the cartel just CK'ed every one of the members, so of course the faction got closed. I also roleplayed in Ambidextrous' faction "Asian Boyz 1226" and I know for a fact that they decided to L&A because of that UA supported gang.

 

You have it in front of your nose, the cartel faction is not letting any illegal faction live, they look at every other faction as an opponent & it's really hard to fight against them cause Wright is abusing his powers.

 

I'm sure there are some other reasons why illegal RP ain't alive anymore, but this is definitely one of the main reasons.

 If Beta's reply is deleted, it will merely further the point of AT’s incompetence to take in criticism.

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46 minutes ago, Beta said:

Okay, as you guys are acting all blind and shit lemme explain.

 

The dominant faction (that tony talked about) that ruins all the fun for other factions is Cartel de Sinaloa (CDS), Wright is abusing his powers as an UAT. Most of the illegal faction roleplayers know not to fuck with Wright, cause he wins in every situation. Admins always take his side on the report, and people who tried to report Wright on the UCP, failed. I've had my interactions with Wright on my illegal characters, all I got from him is 3 re-rps and void in the end, cause he kept making up excuses and admin agreed with him, cause he was too afraid to go against Wright. The faction is started on July 20, 2017, it only has 8 pages & it's still considered an established faction, it only comes back when one of the good factions is getting somewhere & Cartel pretty much fucks them up, till they all get CK'ed or lose motivation to role-play and just L&A their thread. 

 

A lot of long lasting and promising factions got L&A'ed because of Cartel de Sinaloa (CDS) & Wright. I've roleplayed in Eight Deuces, the cartel just CK'ed every one of the members, so of course the faction got closed. I also roleplayed in Ambidextrous' faction "Asian Boyz 1226" and I know for a fact that they decided to L&A because of that UA supported gang.

 

You have it in front of your nose, the cartel faction is not letting any illegal faction live, they look at every other faction as an opponent & it's really hard to fight against them cause Wright is abusing his powers.

 

I'm sure there are some other reasons why illegal RP ain't alive anymore, but this is definitely one of the main reasons.

 

I responded on discord but I’ll copy paste my reply here for others to see.

 

“just read it. Others have brought up these concerns before and a lot of them seem really easy to solve, I feel like people are blowing their beliefs about wright out of proportion. The guy isn’t invincible, neither is the rest of UAT. I’ve yet to see a proper case of arbitration regarding UAT. Many people forget that I have had successful cases against UAT (none of which were as serious as some of the claims many people bring up, just minuscule incidents that weren’t malicious). 

Contact me privately, I’d like to hear more about your concerns and maybe we can figure some stuff out. Contact me privately, I’d like to hear more about your concerns and maybe we can figure something out. Don’t take this as me defending UAT either”

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1 hour ago, Tajiri said:

Great summary. My character was CKed (no problem with it) but Wright and his faction managed to get 4 re-rps with PD. I've never heard of this happening with anyone else. Obviously the situtation ended in their (Cartels) favor. I had talk about this with UAT but didn't have enough interest to make ticket as Chaos protects his UAT.

Not entirely true. Speaking from experience, I've come across an instance where this didn't really happen, the matter was fully listened to by him and he didn't choose sides and listened to the other person more (which was kind of a surprise tbh). I agree with the other stuff but y'know just wanted to point this out

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really just not enough illegal rpers because everyone wants to drive around 1998 bmw e46's that go 200 and flex their 200k houses

 

and either get arrested for speeding or completely avoid jail in every way because they'll melt if a cop touches them since jail times r high

Edited by Sacred

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Please keep this topic on track and stop fighting each other or post memes. 

 

the faction team are taking their time to attempt on solving this issue, but we can not do it without listening to the community in order to figure out what's going on and why the illegal RP scene seems to be standing still at the moment. We will happily help you out fixing things and try to figure out how we can do this in the best way possible. That is exactly why this thread was made, to hear peoples concerns and reasons as of why this is happening, but we need you to reply with serious comments and not just straight up trying to ”target” others.

 

So far for the people who actually managed to bring legitimate concerns and issues forward to us on this thread, thank you. We will be looking into them and come up with solutions on how to possibly fixing them.  

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46 minutes ago, Chaos said:

 

- Encouraging player-to-player interaction instead of selling to VMs (how can we promote this?)

- UA members complained about here haven't been RPing illegal for months now

 

 

 

- VM encourages player to player interaction more than expected, leave it be and add more options to it (illegal weekly routines or events, idk) , automatise the system to keep people interested in the quick money illegal life brings without killing the faction team brain cells with every form we send in

- There's no options but some bureaucracy for money, see first phrase

 

- add a stock market already, millionaires actually exist in real life don't believe what communists say

 

 

 

and work on your marketing, you're losing players sadly for lack of innovation

make an investment, hire people for the work

 

 

edit: add some damn casinos scripts, i want to lose my virtual money not real money anymore

Edited by JamalWalker
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2 hours ago, JamalWalker said:

- VM encourages player to player interaction more than expected, leave it be and add more options to it (illegal weekly routines or events, idk) , automatise the system to keep people interested in the quick money illegal life brings without killing the faction team brain cells with every form we send in

- There's no options but some bureaucracy for money, see first phrase

 

- add a stock market already, millionaires actually exist in real life don't believe what communists say

 

 

 

and work on your marketing, you're losing players sadly for lack of innovation

make an investment, hire people for the work

 

 

edit: add some damn casinos scripts, i want to lose my virtual money not real money anymore

Stock market as a script won't work. Factions are encouraged to sell shares and do their own RP with that, but we cannot force them to do so. Most companies are privately owned therefore don't require shares to be sold.

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Good roleplay, especially illegal roleplay is hard to find these days. People don't roleplay anymore, they just get a gun at 5 hours and start shooting at people while it's no development at all. A criminal should start from the bottom,  18 years old and he should do small robberies, like shops. Eventually roll in to a gang or such and do bigger stuff like dealing, but nope that's not how it works here on Owl. If you got friends in a illegal faction, you just roll in automatically like it's nothing. That's one of the big issues with the playerbase. They want to win by having sick cars, a lot of cash and power being the biggest.

 

I'd rather have cyber crime support from FT, as I had this idea for years but was never approved.

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the VM systems obv need to be redesigned -

 

Spoiler

 

the excessive workload FT members are having to deal with that generates this whole boring burocratic process of dealing with illegal roleplay itself could've easily been avoided if the original suggestion of having faction-owned NPCs dealing illegal goods (be it whores stolen goods drugs whatever) with a limit on the number of dealing NPCs by neighborhood/turf - it was much easier to manage (admins had a sys for the entire illegal goods and could easily hopingame when needed and tp to the ints to buy the goods) and created an actual need for turf wars and negociation between factions but as always it fell through because people are still obcessed with ignoring scripts and having everything done through player to player roleplay.

 

the community of illegal roleplayers is just too small to support any form of decent untampered economy whatsoever but as long as people continue to pull "oh BUT I COULD SELL DRUGS WHEN I WAS IN FACTION X" "YOU'RE JUST NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH" shit won't change and continue to be as it is

 

i still have the files for this original system and of all others and i'm more than willing to help you guys out if you need.

 

- but the biggest problem isn't really the economy and that's why I've put this under spoiler tags.

 

the thing that sucks for me in illegal rp is that the majority of people in illegal rp are just dicks - dicks to each other, dicks to other roleplayers on the server, dicks to the admins and dickish in general in the way they conduct themselves within the community.

 

years later it's still that same mash of people who spend forum pages arguing about the realism of faction x or y or cry out for detailed roleplay and "faction development" and lash at each other out for ic gone ooc beefs that happened years ago 

 

you can see it by the replies on this thread - owl nowadays is fucking riddled with memster incels going around posting trash and being generally annoying to anybody who's really here to fucking roleplay.

 

and some people just don't really wanna deal with all this shit - I stopped roleplaying illegal characters exactly because I was getting tired of being constantly under fire and shelling out both at admins and other illegal roleplayers everyday over almost everything.

 

people still don't take this seriously - and when you find a way to filter out the people that don't and keep the players that do then illegal rp and the whole server will flourish.

Edited by ElMariachi

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On 4/11/2019 at 12:41 AM, Yannick said:

If you got friends in a illegal faction, you just roll in automatically like it's nothing. That's one of the big issues with the playerbase. They want to win by having sick cars, a lot of cash and power being the biggest.

Any solution suggestions for that? I agree btw.

On 4/11/2019 at 12:41 AM, Yannick said:

I'd rather have cyber crime support from FT, as I had this idea for years but was never approved.

Difficult to approve. I believe I commented on this before but basically it's mainly passive RP and we don't have ways to make it "risky" for their gains really.

 

23 hours ago, ElMariachi said:

I stopped roleplaying illegal characters exactly because I was getting tired of being constantly under fire and shelling out both at admins and other illegal roleplayers everyday over almost everything.

 

people still don't take this seriously - and when you find a way to filter out the people that don't and keep the players that do then illegal rp and the whole server will flourish.

👏👏 A lot of people I've talked to have said the same, and have quit the scene. It's getting harder and harder to keep people interested in MTA, I'm looking forward to a new group of people on V as well as some oldie's.

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19 hours ago, Chaos said:

Any solution suggestions for that? I agree btw.

there is no way to fix people being friends with each other, factions have been friend circles since the beginning of rp and will continue to do that. newer players/legal players that convert to illegal always struggle to join factions and create them cos they dont know anyone in that area. a thread can look nice but if you don't know if they are capable of running a faction, you aren't going to bother with it.

 

we can start by banning people that are friends tho. ps unban callumjef

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On 4/13/2019 at 12:32 AM, Chaos said:

Difficult to approve. I believe I commented on this before but basically it's mainly passive RP and we don't have ways to make it "risky" for their gains really.

I'll be responding first to this one, as that one is the easiest. I rather passive RP and get some unique RP in Owl instead of gaining stuff out of it. Wouldn't it be nice to disable the ATMs for like 10 minutes for example. Scriptwise we can do this easily, as we just make them not able to insert a card (which we already got as a sort of functionality, referencing to the function that checks if there's a card in else block the insertion.) But stuff like that have small impacts, but it's new. Either make it like some server event otherwise where we could involve more parts of our community. I do understand it isn't really FT related, but in general it's an idea that could be done.

 

On 4/13/2019 at 12:32 AM, Chaos said:

Any solution suggestions for that? I agree btw.

 This can never be resolved, simple as it is. There are a few things I had in mind though which could improve it. As you know we got the Owl events faction. It's UA alts that host events to get the community roleplaying. Instead of keeping this to UA, what about involving some players from the community? Not for events but supporting illegal RP. Help new factions with new leaders that haven't lead a faction before. Show them RP wise what's good and what you rather can't do, take some risks and then later leave it once they are settled with good leadership. Aswell lower the faction establishment standard for that, let the faction have proper backstories on how their members found the gang and what theirs are. Only then you know they done proper RP and it's being improved. They got to do more criminal RP in order to become a hood boy. You guys can easily monitor the factions and then give them proper feedback on their members and roleplay. If a member has some weir ass backstory, you atleast know something's up. With that you guys can properly monitor the factions and make sure even these friend based factions do roleplay properly.

 

Just my thoughts, I shouldn't talk too much about illegal RP as I am not a real expert.

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